(5) Mon Apr 04 2005 19:39 What the Pope Meant to the Rest of Us:
I am not a Catholic, and I disagree with many of that church's teachings, but I admired John Paul II. He stood by his convictions even when they were unpopular. He opposed both wars in Iraq, and he always spoke up for the poor, the underprivileged, and the oppressed. He traveled the world greeting the people and made life better in that one moment for many of them. Those will be big shoes for someone else to fill.
Those will be big shoes for someone else to fill.
Posted by John at Tue Apr 05 2005 07:08
Though I mourn for those that mourn his passing, I am very curious to watch the process of the new pope getting appointed. I've read many a book about this, but this is my first time to see it happen.
Posted by Joe Walch at Tue Apr 05 2005 08:47
The pope had a great influence for good, tis true. He was one of the most powerful forces against statist and communist government (having served a mission in Nicaragua I can vouch for that), and gave great power to the solidarity movement in Poland. Who knows, all of Latin America could have been turned into another huge red bloch of human rights violations by Che and Castro, but for the influence of John Paul. Then we really would have had to build a great wall between us and Mexico. As for me, I think we lost a champion of morals and human rights. I would also say the same about the loss of Ghandi, Elli Wisel, Mother Teresa, Nelson Mandela, and others living and dead, to name a few people of other faiths--even though they weren't in the position to have the full revealed gospel fed to them on a sacrament tray from their infancy like I was, and even though I differ with each to some degree.
Posted by Joe Walch at Tue Apr 05 2005 08:57
I remember when John Paul the Great came to San Antonio in 198~ something. We had church at my elementary school that Sunday, and practically everybody else went to see the Pope speak. Afterwards, our family went to the grounds to see where the Pope had spoken. I think that the whole city resolved to be a little bit better that day. In the afterlife, I will be interested to see were the Pope will stand in the ranks of the righteous. As for now, I cannot judge him, but I would be happy to call him my friend and fellow christian. I know some of my church would condemn me for that, and I think that is unfortunate.
Posted by John at Tue Apr 05 2005 11:48
Joe:I am curious who these Mormon friends of yours are. Not one of my associates has said anything but wonderful things about the pope, and I have never thought to wonder where he will be placed in the afterlife. That is between him and the Lord, and really has no bearing on what any of us think.BTW, Mormons do NOT have a lock on spirituality; any good person can receive all God has to offer them, Mormon or not.
Posted by Joe Walch at Wed Apr 06 2005 10:11
It was just some family, and pretty much an isolated event. I may be blowing it out of proportion. Also, It may be some remenants from my mission where there was a lot of Catholic bashing going on, some of it valid, but still Catholic bashing.In the USA, discrimination and prejudice against us "simpleminded religious folk" (Catholic, LDS, Protestant)is the last acceptable prejudice. With all the new focus on the Pope's philosophy of life and morality, the secularist are comming out in the pages of the liberal press to revisit the pope's "authoritarian" natrue. They want to show him as a demagogue rock star that secretly allowed child molestations and who opposed democracy (see James Carroll's coments in the New York Times article "Pope John Paul Appraised as Pope, Not Rock Star
". http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/international/worldspecial2/05heffernan.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1112805689-ivFQabysVaUlFg56gvrkFQI don't think that anybody who reads crummy thinks this way, and I don't think that it is a major trend amoung Latter-day Saints. Having said that, I think that there is a reason why the Prophet has emphasized interreligious cooperation, and being a good neighbor. Some of us may be segregating ourselves and unfairly judging people of other faiths, even though those people are less likely to be found in the BYU community.