1 00:00:00,820 --> 00:00:04,840 As ready as a guy has any right to be, here's the theme. 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:19,850 [music: theme; Mozart, Symphony No. 24 (K 182), 2nd Mvt.; Philharmonic Symphony Orchestra of London/Leinsdorf] 3 00:00:19,850 --> 00:00:27,390 Hello there, I'm Peter Schickele, and this is Schickele Mix, a program dedicated to the proposition that all musics are created equal. 4 00:00:27,750 --> 00:00:31,710 Or as Duke Ellington put it, if it sounds good, it is good. 5 00:00:32,090 --> 00:00:37,930 And it is with great goodwill that I thank our benefactors, the American Public Radio Program Fund, 6 00:00:38,050 --> 00:00:42,770 whose contributors include the Ford Foundation, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, 7 00:00:42,770 --> 00:00:46,590 and also this magnificent and munificent radio station. 8 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:52,300 It must have been back in about 1958 when I was a student at Juilliard 9 00:00:52,300 --> 00:00:54,380 that I wrote a letter to Peter Rosenfeld. 10 00:00:54,620 --> 00:00:58,640 He was a friend from Swarthmore College days and he was and is a cellist. 11 00:00:58,780 --> 00:01:01,460 I actually studied cello with him for about a month. 12 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,520 Anyway, I thought it would be fun to add a little musical P.S. to the letter 13 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:10,520 and I started thinking about the beginning of Bach's first suite for unaccompanied cello. 14 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:12,000 Here's how it goes. 15 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:31,360 [music excerpt: J. S. Bach, Suite for Violincello Solo, No. 1 (BWV 1007); Pierre Fournier] 16 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:36,040 That was Pierre Fournier playing one of the great cellists of the middle of the century. 17 00:01:36,380 --> 00:01:41,640 Well, it occurred to me that what Bach wrote there works as an accompaniment to another well-known melody. 18 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:47,160 Now, to show you how they go together, I'll play the top melody on the authentic instrument. 19 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:59,700 I think the flute stop would probably sound good, yeah, I think that's it, while I play the LP of Fournier playing Bach. 20 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,530 Now, I hope I can coordinate this with the turntable here. 21 00:02:02,530 --> 00:02:27,900 [music: Schickele playing "Brazil" on the keyboard over the Fournier recording of the Bach] 22 00:02:27,980 --> 00:02:53,880 Okay, that worked pretty well. Well, Bach and Brazil, the real Bachianas Brasileiras, played by Fournier and Schickele, the most unforgettable transgenerational collaboration since Natalie Cole and her father Nat King Cole overcame that pesky duet barrier, death. So I wrote those two lines of music at the end of the letter to Peter, and it got me to thinking about separately written pieces that fit together. 23 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:07,360 A year or so later, a conducting student named Jorge Mester and some other friends and I put on a humorous concert at Juilliard, an event that turned out to be the prototype of P. D. Q. Bach concerts. 24 00:03:07,980 --> 00:03:20,160 And for that program, I decided to string together a bunch of the multi-tune combinations I'd thought of, add some new ones, and end up with a whole three-movement piece made up entirely of quotes. 25 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:33,660 But I realized that the trick to doing such a piece was to make the stringing together part as seamless as possible. That is, to give the piece an overall coherence that minimizes its patchwork nature. 26 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:46,660 It's especially important when, and this is more often true than not, two or more themes fit together at first but not throughout their length. Which, in fact, is the case with Brazil and the Bach cello suite. 27 00:03:46,660 --> 00:04:06,900 So what do you do when two themes stop sounding good together? You can abandon both of them and go on to something else or you can continue one of them and find something that fits with the rest of it. Here's the Bach-Brazil combination as I orchestrated it and I decided to continue with the pop song. 28 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:35,500 [music excerpt: Professor Peter Schickele, "Quodlibet for Small Orchestra, 3rd Mvt." (An Evening with P. D. Q. Bach); Chamber orchestra under the direction of Jorge Mester] 29 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:47,000 Okay, but what to do now? Well, I had the bass instruments change from the Bach to a sort of tango-ish accompaniment figure there. [sung] 30 00:04:47,140 --> 00:05:06,000 And instinctively reinforced that with a related but simplified rhythm in the woodwinds. [sung] Hey, what does that sound like? The slow movement of Beethoven's Seventh Symphony. 31 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:44,100 [music excerpt: Beethoven, Symphony No. 7, 2nd Mvt.; Berlin Philharmonic/Karajan] 32 00:05:44,260 --> 00:05:57,100 And sure enough, that melody, not the chords, you have to change the harmonization, but the melody fits with the second half of Brazil, at least till the very end. And then the way it doesn't fit is funny, so I left it in. 33 00:05:57,220 --> 00:06:06,130 In this live recording of the first public P. D. Q. Bach concert, you can tell when different people realize that the woodwind line isn't just an accompaniment. 34 00:06:06,390 --> 00:06:13,000 It's Beethoven's Seventh, and the double whammy is when the Beethoven ends in a different key than Brazil has been in. 35 00:06:13,230 --> 00:06:17,990 And then to end the section, I brought back the Bach cello suite with a new tune on top. 36 00:06:18,610 --> 00:06:23,850 Here's the whole section now featuring the three B's, Bach, Beethoven, and Brazil. 37 00:06:23,850 --> 00:07:35,700 [music excerpt: Professor Peter Schickele, "Quodlibet for Small Orchestra, 3rd Mvt." (An Evening with P. D. Q. Bach); Chamber orchestra under the direction of Jorge Mester] 38 00:07:35,820 --> 00:07:58,040 Well, I did end up with a whole three movement piece that, and you don't hear composers boast about this very often, that does not contain a single original theme. But I had to stay up the whole night to finish it. Some of my composer friends came over to the apartment to help with the copying. I would finish a page of score and hand it to one of them to do the individual parts. It was like a sweatshop. 39 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:06,120 I had occasion to look at those parts in 1989, 30 years after that concert, and it sure brought back the old memories. 40 00:08:06,420 --> 00:08:10,540 Because each part changes copying hands several times, right in the middle. 41 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:18,400 The flute part, say, starts out in Richard Peaslee's handwriting and then suddenly turns into that of Lawrence Widdoes and finally Philip Glass. 42 00:08:18,580 --> 00:08:22,600 I'd forgotten how familiar those musical handwriting styles were to me. 43 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,520 So anyway, the concert went pretty well, but it wasn't all smooth sailing. 44 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:34,680 We were still copying the parts to the last movement of one piece while George was rehearsing the first movement with the little student orchestra he'd put together. 45 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:37,740 There was one unexpected moment during the rehearsal. 46 00:08:38,220 --> 00:08:43,700 It had occurred to me that this oboe theme from Beethoven's Seventh Symphony 47 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:58,500 [music excerpt: Beethoven, Symphony No. 7, 1st Mvt.; Berlin Philharmonic/Karajan] 48 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:08,900 would fit together with another well-known theme. Now, most musicians have a great sense of humor, but when we got to this point in the rehearsal... 49 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:20,400 [music excerpt: Professor Peter Schickele, "Quodlibet for Small Orchestra, 1st Mvt." (An Evening with P. D. Q. Bach); Chamber orchestra under the direction of Jorge Mester] 50 00:09:20,500 --> 00:09:28,070 One of the violinists stood up, walked out, and never came back. There was nothing we could do about it. It was a volunteer orchestra. 51 00:09:29,130 --> 00:09:39,110 Now, one section of the piece was inspired by a magazine ad I saw. It was for a set of recordings called The Heart of the Symphony and The Heart of the Piano Concerto. 52 00:09:39,670 --> 00:09:49,750 The gist of the ad was, what makes these great pieces great is the beautiful melodies that everyone knows and loves. Why listen to all that boring stuff in between? 53 00:09:49,970 --> 00:09:58,810 I remember thinking, well, that's as fine as far as it goes, but if the object is to save time, wouldn't it make more sense to play all the great themes simultaneously? 54 00:09:59,810 --> 00:10:05,130 And that led to the idea of combining themes from all nine Beethoven symphonies. 55 00:10:05,790 --> 00:10:10,470 I gave myself a head start by picking the most common harmonic progression in Beethoven. 56 00:10:10,930 --> 00:10:14,070 Da-da-da, da-da-da, and then back to... 57 00:10:14,130 --> 00:10:21,610 We professional musicians, in addition to being incredibly sexy, refer to those chords as tonic and dominant. 58 00:10:22,030 --> 00:10:27,790 So I went through all the Beethoven symphonies looking for themes that used the tonic dominant chord scheme 59 00:10:27,790 --> 00:10:30,370 and figured out which could be made to fit together. 60 00:10:30,890 --> 00:10:34,300 The ones I found were in the slow movement of the first, 61 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:46,300 [music excerpt: Beethoven, Symphony No. 1, 2nd Mvt.; Berlin Philharmonic/Karajan] 62 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,500 the slow movement of the Second, 63 00:10:48,600 --> 00:11:03,500 [music excerpt: Beethoven, Symphony No. 2, 2nd Mvt.; Berlin Philharmonic/Karajan] 64 00:11:03,620 --> 00:11:06,000 the opening movement of the Eroica, 65 00:11:06,100 --> 00:11:48,600 [music excerpt: Beethoven, Symphony No. 3, 1st Mvt.; Berlin Philharmonic/Karajan] 66 00:11:48,780 --> 00:11:51,600 The slow movement of the Fourth Symphony. 67 00:11:51,700 --> 00:12:15,700 [music excerpt: Beethoven, Symphony No. 4, 2nd Mvt.; Berlin Philharmonic/Karajan] 68 00:12:15,820 --> 00:12:18,500 The last movement of the ubiquitous Fifth. 69 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:26,100 [music excerpt: Beethoven, Symphony No. 5, 4th Mvt.; Berlin Philharmonic/Karajan] 70 00:12:26,260 --> 00:12:29,000 the last movement of the Pastoral Symphony, 71 00:12:29,100 --> 00:12:41,300 [music excerpt: Beethoven, Symphony No. 6, 5th Mvt.; Berlin Philharmonic/Karajan] 72 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,000 the scherzo movement of the Seventh Symphony. 73 00:12:44,100 --> 00:13:05,000 [music excerpt: Beethoven, Symphony No. 7, 3rd Mvt.; Berlin Philharmonic/Karajan] 74 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:28,600 You know, I cheated a bit on that last one. I omitted the pause between the two phrases of the melody and strung them together. Instead of [sung], I went [sung]. 75 00:13:28,700 --> 00:13:33,260 I had to do that to make it fit, but more than 30 years later, it still bothers me. 76 00:13:33,860 --> 00:13:38,140 Going back to our catalog, from the 8th symphony, I used the very beginning. 77 00:13:38,140 --> 00:13:47,580 [music excerpt: Beethoven, Symphony No. 8, 1st Mvt.; Berlin Philharmonic/Karajan] 78 00:13:47,580 --> 00:13:59,500 And from what they always referred to as Beethoven's famous Ninth Symphony in the Beatles movie Help, I fashioned a two-part phrase taken from the beginning of the scherzo and the beginning of the theme that calmed the tiger in Help. 79 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:14,630 [music excerpt: Beethoven, Symphony No. 9, 2nd Mvt., then the finale; Berlin Philharmonic/Karajan] 80 00:14:14,630 --> 00:14:27,170 Okay, so I was through, right? Wait a minute. Then I remembered that when Brahms' First Symphony was premiered, its admirers paid Brahms the ultimate compliment by referring to it as Beethoven's Tenth. 81 00:14:27,170 --> 00:14:31,370 So it seemed like there ought to be something from that in our Dagwood sandwich, no? 82 00:14:31,730 --> 00:14:32,770 Well, how about this? 83 00:14:32,770 --> 00:14:47,000 [music excerpt: Brahms, Symphony No. 1, 4th Mvt.; Los Angeles Philharmonic/Giulini] 84 00:14:47,060 --> 00:14:49,500 Put them all together, and they spell 85 00:14:53,100 --> 00:16:26,500 [music excerpt: Professor Peter Schickele, "Quodlibet for Small Orchestra, 2nd Mvt." (An Evening with P. D. Q. Bach); Chamber orchestra under the direction of Jorge Mester] 86 00:16:26,860 --> 00:16:33,540 Jorge Mester conducting a nameless chamber orchestra in the first part of the middle movement of the Quodlibet, 87 00:16:34,170 --> 00:16:43,800 which, although it is by my good friend Professor Peter Schickele, appears on the album An Evening with P.D.Q. Bach. Those Beethoven excerpts, by the way, were done by 88 00:16:43,890 --> 00:16:45,910 von Karajan and the Berlin Philharmonic, 89 00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:52,400 the Brahms by Giulini and the L.A. Phil. Me? I'm Mr. Peter Schickele. The program is 90 00:16:52,560 --> 00:17:10,790 Schickele Mix on APR. So what's with the title Quodlibet? What does that mean? Well, I'd love to leave you with the impression that I invented this idea of combining themes, but I'm afraid it goes back many centuries. And Quodlibet is the 91 00:17:10,790 --> 00:17:21,650 The Latin words Quod Libet mean what pleases, or as you will, or what you please, which is the title of today's show. 92 00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:24,800 I assume libet is a cognate of license. 93 00:17:25,380 --> 00:17:35,380 My dad grew up in Germany and had to take nine years of Latin, and when he wanted to point out to his kids that just because he was allowed to do something didn't mean that we could, he would say, 94 00:17:35,380 --> 00:17:41,380 Quod licet jove, non licet bove. What Jove may do, a cow may not. 95 00:17:42,250 --> 00:17:47,990 As a musical term, it goes back to 1544, but according to Grove's dictionary, 96 00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:53,650 it was already the name of an improvised oral examination in German universities, 97 00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:55,970 the Disputatio de Quodlibet. 98 00:17:56,570 --> 00:18:01,090 Originally, the disputation was a serious scholastic exercise at the Sorbonne in Paris 99 00:18:01,090 --> 00:18:04,670 during the Middle Ages, but in Germany it became a humorous parody 100 00:18:04,670 --> 00:18:09,970 featuring ridiculous lists of items loosely combined under an absurd theme, 101 00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:16,930 e.g. objects forgotten by women fleeing from a harem. I guess David Letterman has 102 00:18:16,930 --> 00:18:21,830 been doing quodlibets all along. One of the most famous musical examples is the 103 00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:27,110 30th and last of Bach's Goldberg Variations. This is really a great 104 00:18:27,110 --> 00:18:31,690 quodlibet. Here's Rosalyn Tureck playing it. 105 00:18:31,690 --> 00:20:17,900 [music: J. S. Bach, Goldberg Variations, No. 30 (Quodlibet); Rosalyn Tureck] 106 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:26,350 I mean, it's a great little piece, but as far as being something that'll make you the life of the party, I'd say that it's not quite as funny as wearing a lampshade. 107 00:20:26,990 --> 00:20:29,770 The point is, of course, that most of us don't know the songs. 108 00:20:30,450 --> 00:20:31,790 There are two of them in there. 109 00:20:32,350 --> 00:20:35,130 Ich bin so lang nicht bei dir gewiss. 110 00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:38,150 I've never seen these written out. 111 00:20:38,210 --> 00:20:41,070 I mean, I have those words, and they seem to fit that melody. 112 00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:44,270 Ich bin so lang nicht bei dir gewiss. 113 00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:45,370 Is that prosody right? 114 00:20:45,570 --> 00:20:51,900 Ich bin so lang nicht bei dir. That accent on the bei, shouldn't it be... Ich bin so lang bei dir nicht gewesen? 115 00:20:52,150 --> 00:20:54,570 Why am I doing this? I don't speak German. 116 00:20:54,790 --> 00:20:57,550 Anyway, that's I have been so long apart from you. 117 00:20:57,670 --> 00:21:17,500 And the other one, Kraut und Rüben haben mich vertrieben. Cabbages and turnips have sent me packing. Or as another translation puts it, cabbage and turnips drove me away. Had my mother cooked meat, I'd have opted to stay. It's real peasant German, I'm sure. 118 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:24,770 A quodlibet might as well not be a quodlibet if you don't know the songs being quoted. In that way, it's a bit like a newspaper, very topical. 119 00:21:25,230 --> 00:21:32,010 What's the old movie in which a journalist says, tomorrow this will be yesterday's paper and they'll use it to wrap dead fish in? 120 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:39,640 It has been said that one of the reasons Saint-Saëns didn't allow the Carnival of the Animals to be published or publicly performed during his lifetime 121 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:44,160 is that he was afraid too many people wouldn't catch the musical allusions he made. 122 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:51,620 The twelfth number in the suite is a quodlibet in which he starts out by quoting himself from the Danse Macabre. 123 00:21:51,700 --> 00:22:06,000 [music excerpt: Saint-Saëns, "Danse Macabre," Opus 40; Cincinnati Pops Orchestra/Kunzel] 124 00:22:06,350 --> 00:22:11,310 Then there's an imitative section based on a French folk song that we English speakers know as 125 00:22:11,310 --> 00:22:16,590 Twinkle, twinkle, little star, how I wonder what you are. 126 00:22:17,250 --> 00:22:30,500 The clarinet plays Au clair de la lune, mon ami Pierrot. My pal Pete in the moonlight. Another clarinet solo swipes a couple of licks from Rossini's The Barber of Seville. 127 00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:50,400 [music excerpt: Rossini, "Il barbiere di Siviglia," "Una voce poco fa"; Agnes Baltsa/Wiener Symphoniker/Marin] 128 00:22:50,580 --> 00:22:55,200 Put them all together and you've got The Fossils. 129 00:22:55,400 --> 00:24:09,200 [music: Saint-Saëns, "Carnaval des animaux," "Fossiles"; Argerich/Freire/Kremer/Van Keulen/Maisky] 130 00:24:09,260 --> 00:24:22,080 Saint-Saëns, The Carnival of the Animals, that was The Fossils, played by Martha Argerich and Nelson Freire, the pianists, and a group of other musicians with Gidon Kremer playing first violin. 131 00:24:22,620 --> 00:24:36,900 And before that, by the way, the little excerpt from the Danse Macabre was Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops on an album called Chiller, and Agnes Baltsa sang the Rossini, a little bit of Rossini. 132 00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:44,870 People assume, since I've written a bunch of Quodlibets, that I'm a walking dictionary of themes, but that is certainly not the case. 133 00:24:45,570 --> 00:24:52,370 There are several quotes in the Carnival of the Animals, for instance, that I didn't know about until I read about them, including the one from the Barber of Seville. 134 00:24:53,150 --> 00:25:02,150 Some Princeton students once played me a tape of an operatic quodlibet they'd done by editing snippets of different operas and having them go into one another in clever ways. 135 00:25:02,510 --> 00:25:08,930 But most of it was lost on me. I'd be embarrassed to tell you how many standard repertory operas I'm not familiar with. 136 00:25:09,730 --> 00:25:15,130 What I do in my own quodlibets is try to have a certain number of tunes that just about everybody knows. 137 00:25:15,450 --> 00:25:20,590 And then if a few things like Mozart's First Symphony, written when he was eight, slip by, it doesn't really matter. 138 00:25:20,590 --> 00:25:24,010 I definitely do not regard these things as a test. 139 00:25:24,770 --> 00:25:29,510 But I did know a teacher at Juilliard who used to hand out blue books to his advanced class, 140 00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:35,000 put on the piece we're about to hear, and see how many of the themes they could identify. Man, I'd break into a cold sweat. 141 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:55,500 But what if, unbeknownst to the teacher, you had a tiny earpiece secreted in your ear, and you were listening to this program, and the host was identifying the themes as the piece went along, right in your ear, and you were the only person who could hear it? 142 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:20,200 [music: Professor Peter Schickele, "Unbegun Symphony," 3rd Mvt. (P. D. Q. Bach at Carnegie Hall); The Royal P. D. Q. Bach Orchestra/Mester] 143 00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:28,000 Strings, Jupiter Symphony, Mozart. Horn, Du liegst mir im Herzen. Trumpet, Cielito Lindo. 144 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,800 Clarinet, Mozart No. 39. Violins, Beethoven No. 8. Then back to the beginning material. 145 00:27:31,780 --> 00:27:40,000 Trumpet, Darling Clementine. Strings, Fledermaus. Woodwinds, Brahms No. 4. Flute, Carmen. 146 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:11,800 Violins, Blue Danube. Basses, Beethoven Eroica. Woodwinds, The Swan from Carnival of the Animals. Here comes the flute with Beethoven's Sixth Symphony. 147 00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:42,400 [music: Professor Peter Schickele, "Unbegun Symphony," 3rd Mvt. (P. D. Q. Bach at Carnegie Hall); The Royal P. D. Q. Bach Orchestra/Mester] 148 00:28:42,540 --> 00:28:45,000 Horns and violas, The Band Played On. 149 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:29,800 And we ended with two phrases from the Jupiter Symphony of Mozart in reverse order, with an extra impolite note in the bassoon. 150 00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:34,720 That was the third movement of the Unbegun Symphony by your humble host. 151 00:29:35,420 --> 00:29:39,200 Being the Unbegun Symphony, of course, it only has a third and a fourth movement. 152 00:29:40,240 --> 00:30:03,960 That was the Royal P. D. Q. Bach Festival Orchestra under the direction of Jorge Mester. The term quodlibet is usually used for pieces that are humorous, or at least fun-loving, but extensive quotation is not necessarily a sign of mirth and laughter. Charles Ives called the second movement of his fourth symphony a comedy, but it's an infernal kind of comedy. 153 00:30:04,060 --> 00:30:10,140 I must say that my reaction is more one of amazement than merriment. Here's how Ives described the movement himself. 154 00:30:10,140 --> 00:30:26,460 The second movement is not a scherzo in an accepted sense of the word, but rather a comedy in which an exciting, easy, and worldly progress through life is contrasted with the trials of the pilgrims in their journey through the swamps and rough country. 155 00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:33,420 The occasional slow episodes, pilgrims' hymns, are constantly crowded out and overwhelmed by the former. 156 00:30:33,820 --> 00:30:43,900 The dream or fantasy ends with an interruption of reality, the Fourth of July in Concord. Brass bands, drum corps, etc. 157 00:30:44,000 --> 00:31:05,800 He quotes a whole bunch of tunes. Some of them I know, like Turkey in the Straw, and the Camptown Ladies Sing This Song, and Yankee Doodle Went to Town a-Riding on a Pony, and Columbia, the Gem of the Ocean. 158 00:31:05,860 --> 00:31:11,080 But the hymns are unfamiliar to me, and, I suspect, to most of us. 159 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:18,360 But whether or not you recognize all the quotes, the flamboyant drama of this Ives piece comes 160 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:29,400 through loud, and I do mean loud, and clear. Before we hear it, I have to point out that I'm Peter Schickele. This is Schickele Mix on APR. 161 00:31:33,940 --> 00:31:38,760 Most of us quodlibetists try to fit themes together in a way that has some reference 162 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:44,080 to past or current harmonic practice. It should come as no surprise that I do 163 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,400 crossword puzzles, for instance, and when I have time I like to make them too. But 164 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:56,700 Ives didn't care about things fitting in any traditional way. He was after a wilder and woolier sound, and boy, he sure got it. 165 00:31:56,800 --> 00:33:41,500 [music: three hymns used in Ives' 4th Symphony: "Sweet By & By," "Beulah Land," "Jesus, Lover of My Soul"; Members of the Chicago Symphony Chorus/Richard Webster, organ/Thomas] 166 00:33:42,000 --> 00:43:34,600 [music: Ives, Symphony No. 4, 2nd Mvt. (Comedy: Allegretto); Chicago Symphony Orchestra/Thomas] 167 00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:42,700 The second movement, marked Comedy: Allegretto, from Ives' Fourth Symphony. 168 00:43:42,820 --> 00:43:48,400 That was the Chicago Symphony Orchestra under the direction of Michael Tilson Thomas. 169 00:43:48,610 --> 00:43:54,710 And it's interesting, that's the only conductor listed here, when Stokowski did the first complete performance of this work. 170 00:43:54,970 --> 00:44:04,470 Not that long ago, there were two assistant conductors involved, you know, conducting in different tempos to get that incredibly complex web of sound going. 171 00:44:04,810 --> 00:44:13,600 But either musicians can do it on their own now, or Michael Tilson Thomas has three arms, or some uncredited people were helping out there. 172 00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:20,700 Anyway, it's a fantastic performance of an absolutely fantastic piece. 173 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:32,200 Okay, Gerard Hoffnung was a tuba player, cartoonist, raconteur, and catalyst who put on several legendary humorous concerts in London during the 1950s. 174 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,480 The Concerto Popolare, a piano concerto to end all piano concertos, 175 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,840 has, perhaps unfortunately, not had that effect. 176 00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:42,240 But it certainly tries its best. 177 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:58,880 It's over 12 minutes long, which means we don't have time to hear it all, so I've had to truncate it, but I've made the cut in the middle, because the beginning and ending are both classic realizations of a concerto soloist's and conductor's worst nightmares. 178 00:45:01,600 --> 00:50:12,400 [music excerpt: Reizenstein, "The Hoffnung Festival," "Concerto Popolare" (a Piano Concerto to end all Piano Concertos), beginning and ending; Yvonne Arnaud/Hoffnung (alias Morley College) Symphony Orchestra/Del Mar] 179 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:24,800 Okay, that was the beginning and ending of the Concerto Popolare. It was written by Franz Reizenstein, and the soloist was Yvonne Arnaud, from the first of the Hoffnung records. 180 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:30,300 That beginning is one of the most inspired things in the history of musical humor. 181 00:50:30,460 --> 00:50:45,100 I once heard a story that a very famous conductor came out onto the stage for the second work on the concert and gave a huge downbeat for Beethoven's Fifth Symphony, having forgotten that the next work on the program was Sheep May Safely Graze. 182 00:50:45,220 --> 00:50:56,300 I said to the person who told me this, a member of the orchestra, what do you do in a case like that? He said, well, we just wait for him to do something that looks like it belongs to the piece, and then we start playing. That's musician talk. 183 00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:08,000 But what if the soloist and the conductor weren't in agreement about what was coming up? What if the orchestra thought it was the Tchaikovsky and the soloist the Grieg? Well, you just found out what would happen. 184 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:18,800 And we heard some Rachmaninoff and Gershwin and Warsaw Concerto, Yankee Doodle, Roll Out the Barrel, other stuff too, which is my way of saying I probably didn't recognize them all. 185 00:51:18,980 --> 00:51:32,600 Well, it looks like we've got time for Tidbit Time here. Let's go out with Garrison Keillor and Frederica von Stade in a little quodlibet put together by Philip Brunelle. The title lays it out: Beethoven Chased by Rossini. 186 00:51:33,000 --> 00:55:27,100 [music: Beethoven/Rossini arr. Brunelle/Keillor, "Beethoven Chased by Rossini" (Songs of the Cat); Garrison Keillor/Frederica von Stade] 187 00:55:28,180 --> 00:55:43,490 [music: theme; Mozart, Symphony No. 24 (K 182), 2nd Mvt.; Philharmonic Symphony Orchestra of London/Leinsdorf] 188 00:55:43,490 --> 00:56:05,710 Beethoven Chased by Rossini, from Songs of the Cat, Garrison Keillor and Frederica von Stade bring Schickele Mix to a close for this week. Our program is made possible with funds provided by the American Public Radio Program Fund, whose contributors include the Ford Foundation, by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, and also by this radio station and its members. And we thank you, members. 189 00:56:06,690 --> 00:56:12,350 We'll tell you in a moment how you can get an official playlist of all the music on today's program with record numbers and everything. 190 00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:16,510 Just refer to the program number, and this is program 54. 191 00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:23,620 This is Peter Schickele saying goodbye and reminding you that it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that certain je ne sais quoi. 192 00:56:24,180 --> 00:56:26,620 You're looking good. 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