1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Shickly Mix is next. Are you ready, Peter? 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Hey, I'm supposed to be ready. I'm ready. Here's the theme. 3 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Hello there. I'm Peter Shickly and this is Shickly Mix, 4 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,000 a program dedicated to the proposition that all musics are created equal. 5 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Or, as Duke Ellington put it, if it sounds good, 6 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,000 it is good. As a rule, our bills are paid 7 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,000 by this terrific radio station where I'm provided with this small, 8 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,000 yet modest studio space. As a rule, our program 9 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,000 is distributed to the four corners by PRI, Public Radio International. 10 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:54,000 And, as a rule, there were certain 11 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,000 things that classical European composers just wouldn't 12 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,000 do. I mean, they weren't that kind of girl and 13 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,000 don't you forget it, Buster. And one of the things they 14 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,000 wouldn't do, even if they had fallen on hard times, 15 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,000 was to write parallel fifths. Parallel fifths occur 16 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,000 when two parts are at the interval of a fifth from each other. 17 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,000 One, two, three, four, five. That's a fifth. 18 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,000 And then they both move the same distance in the same direction. 19 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,000 Here they both move up one step, 20 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,000 resulting in consecutive or parallel fifths. 21 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Now, when you play them alone like that, 22 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,000 they have a hollow sound that we Westerners tend to associate with Chinese music. 23 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,000 But, even if the other parts in the texture 24 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,000 disguise that hollowness, 25 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,000 even then, it was a definite 26 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,000 no-no to write parallel fifths among your law-abiding 27 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,000 late Renaissance Baroque classical and early romantic composers. 28 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,000 I mean, European composers went out of their way 29 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,000 to avoid writing parallel fifths for about 400 30 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,000 years. Say, 1500 to 1900, something 31 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,000 like that. Now, that's a pretty powerful taboo. 32 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,000 I've mentioned on other shows that musical rules are descriptive, not 33 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,000 proscriptive. That is, they simply describe what composers 34 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,000 of a given period happened to do. But there are some rules 35 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,000 that were thought of as rules at the time, and that were almost always 36 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,000 observed by even the most adventuresome composers. 37 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,000 Here's a nice anecdote about Beethoven, and I am quoting it verbatim. 38 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,000 You know, the romantic picture of Beethoven makes him 39 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,000 out to be so monumental and Zeus-like. You think 40 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,000 of him as sort of a mobile Mount Everest. You never think 41 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,000 of him simply taking a walk with a friend. This is from the 42 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,000 memoirs of Ferdinand Ries, a sophisticated musician 43 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,000 who knew Beethoven well. 44 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,000 Once, while out walking with him, I mentioned two perfect 45 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,000 fifths, which stand out by their beauty of sound in 46 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,000 one of his earlier violin quartets in C minor. 47 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,000 Beethoven did not know of them, and insisted it was wrong to call them 48 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,000 fifths. Since he was in the habit of always carrying music 49 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,000 paper about him, I asked for some, and sent down the passage 50 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,000 in all four parts. Then, when he saw I was right, 51 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,000 he said, Well, and who 52 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,000 has forbidden them? Since I did not 53 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,000 know how to take his question, he repeated it several times 54 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,000 until, much astonished, I replied, 55 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,000 It is one of the fundamental rules. Again, he 56 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,000 repeated his question, whereupon I said, Marburg, 57 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Kernberger, Fuchs, etc., etc., all the theoreticians. 58 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,000 And so I allow them, 59 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,000 was his answer. Now, the significance of that 60 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,000 story is not only that old Ludwig obviously had a lot 61 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,000 of attitude when it came to authority, but also 62 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,000 that the rule against parallel fifths was so regularly 63 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,000 observed that on the rare occasions it was flaunted, 64 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,000 the flaunting was noticed and remarked upon. 65 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,000 Now, speaking of flaunting, I got curious about that word, 66 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,000 and I looked it up, and it says, 67 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,000 I'm not going to read the meanings, but in usage it says, 68 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,000 Although transitive sense to a flaunt undoubtedly arose 69 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,000 from confusion with flout, 70 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,000 so I looked up that flout, 71 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,000 and it says, Probably 72 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,000 from Middle English flouten, to play the flute. 73 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,000 I mean, how about that? What does 74 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,000 treating with contentious disregard have to do with playing 75 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,000 the flute? Well, now you know what flautists 76 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,000 really are. You know, the old musicians saying, what's the difference between 77 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,000 a flutist and a flautist? A flautist earns more money. Anyway, 78 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,000 I hope that henceforth you will treat flautists accordingly. 79 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaking of flutes and of rules, I read a good story somewhere 80 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,000 about Quants, who was a composer and a flutist, who worked for King Frederick 81 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,000 the Great, who also was a composer and a flutist. Quants was 82 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,000 his teacher. So, one evening they're playing through a new piece by King Fred, 83 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,000 and at one point there's an infelicitous passage. 84 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,000 The king had committed a compositional gaffe. Maybe it 85 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,000 was parallel fifths. And Quants, he just coughed. 86 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,000 He wasn't about to criticize the king in front of other people. He just 87 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,000 coughed, and the king later went back and revised that spot. 88 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Maybe it wasn't parallel fifths. Maybe the 89 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,000 royal boo-boo was parallel octaves, equally 90 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,000 frowned upon, which is actually perhaps easier to understand than 91 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,000 the outlawing of parallel fifths. Basically, it's the same deal. 92 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,000 Parallel octaves occur when two voices, and I mean 93 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,000 voices here as independent parts in the texture, not necessarily singers, 94 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,000 two voices are an octave apart, 95 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,000 and they move the same distance in the same direction, 96 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,000 creating consecutive octaves. 97 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,000 Now, the rationale in this case is quite clear. 98 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,000 Traditional harmony and counterpoint are often taught as separate 99 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,000 disciplines, but they're really just different aspects of the same thing. 100 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,000 Even in the quintessential example of harmonic writing, 101 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,000 a Protestant church hymn, in which all four parts, 102 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,000 soprano, alto, tenor, bass, have the same or virtually the same rhythm, 103 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,000 melodically they're regarded as four independent melodies. 104 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,000 Each part, if sung separately, should sound like a 105 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,000 reasonable, not necessarily a fascinating, but a reasonable melody. 106 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,000 And the craft lies in creating a beautiful 107 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,000 succession of chords by combining four independent melodies. 108 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,000 But, if two of the melodies are doing the same thing, 109 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,000 the alto goes G-F, 110 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,000 and the tenor goes G-F at the same time, 111 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,000 then, for that moment, there are not two melodies, they're one melody, 112 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:56,000 doubled up at the octave. In terms of counterpoint, 113 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,000 you've gone from a four-part texture to a three-part texture. 114 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,000 You've wasted an opportunity for contrapuntal interest, for melodic interplay. 115 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,000 There's a Mozart piano sonata in B-flat 116 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,000 that I've been playing since college days, and part of the first movement goes like this. 117 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:27,000 ... 118 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Okay, that's as much as we need, which is just as well, because that's where the fast notes come in. 119 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,000 What we've got here is a three-part texture. We've got the melody, 120 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:40,000 ... 121 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,000 and then we've got the bass line. 122 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,000 Put those together. 123 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:53,000 ... 124 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,000 And then, in the middle, you've got the do-ee, do-ee, do-ee part. 125 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:03,000 ... 126 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,000 So, let me play all three of those together, and very slowly. 127 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:23,000 ... 128 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:28,000 Hear that? Parallel octaves. Everything was independent until then, and all of a sudden, 129 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,000 ... 130 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,000 I can't help it. This has bothered me for almost 50 years now. 131 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,000 I mean, it bothered me then. It bothers me now. 132 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:42,000 You know, I even looked up an authentic edition of Mozart's sonatas to make sure that's what he really wrote, 133 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,000 but I guess he didn't care. 134 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:52,000 Now, I certainly don't go poring over scores, looking for parallel octaves in the inner parts or anything, 135 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:57,000 but when it's prominent and compromises the independence of the voices, 136 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,000 I tend to notice it. Sorry, I can't help it. 137 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Like, I was listening to a CD that a friend gave me for Christmas. 138 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,000 It's a nice little novelty album called A Toolbox Christmas. 139 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:26,000 ... 140 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:32,000 Okay, now let me just play the outside voices, the melody and the bass line here. 141 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:48,000 ... 142 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:53,000 Now, it's right here. 143 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Hear that? Hear that? 144 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,000 You see, the bass line and the melody line are the same there. 145 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:08,000 Up till there, it's been a beautiful counterpoint between the melody and the bass, very independent, 146 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,000 but all of a sudden, they're in the same notes. 147 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Listen to it again, just in the original. See if you can spot that. 148 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:36,000 You know, it's the lack of counterpoint, the lack of consistency in terms of independence. 149 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,000 By the way, Toolbox Christmas, I know it sounds pretty weird. 150 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:44,000 It is pretty weird, but it's a very tastefully done album, very clever arrangements. 151 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,000 Now, I'm not complaining about parallel octaves when they're consistent, 152 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,000 when they're not pretending to be two different parts. 153 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,000 For instance, at the beginning of Mozart's 40th Symphony. 154 00:11:55,000 --> 00:12:24,000 ... 155 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Okay, now in that opening, the first violins are playing the melody here. 156 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:38,000 And the second violins are playing it here. 157 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:44,000 So together, they sound... 158 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:51,000 That's one melody, contrapuntally speaking, one part, in which octaves are used as an instrumental color. 159 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:57,000 It got sort of overused in the 19th century, perhaps, but it's a beautiful color, violins and octaves. 160 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:02,000 In 18th century orchestral music, the cellos and basses are almost always in octaves. 161 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,000 That's not parallel octaves. That's just a different color for the melody. 162 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Then there's the sort of hybrid texture in between parallel and independent that I've always loved. 163 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:17,000 You hear it in traditional Asian music a lot, but this piece is from medieval Europe. 164 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:23,000 The basic melody is on the bottom, and the recorder is playing above it, following the tune, 165 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:28,000 but adding all sorts of embellishment notes, so it's the same but different. 166 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,000 But it's consistently the same but different. 167 00:13:31,000 --> 00:14:00,000 .. 168 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:07,000 . 169 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:12,000 The Istanbul palamento. That's a medieval piece. 170 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,000 Here's a beautiful romantic example of the same idea. 171 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:22,000 About nine seconds into this excerpt, the violins start following the melody in the cellos below, 172 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,000 but with a slightly different rhythm. 173 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:30,000 It's sort of like water at the edge of a lake, lapping on the melody. 174 00:14:55,000 --> 00:15:09,000 . 175 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,000 From the second movement of Brahms' Third Symphony. 176 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:18,000 Now I should mention that the principle of avoiding parallel octaves in a contrapuntal texture, 177 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:24,000 where the parts are otherwise independent, is not a principle that has always been with us. 178 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:31,000 This is a lovely motet by Adam de la Hall, a trouvert who lived in the second half of the 13th century. 179 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:23,000 . 180 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:52,000 . 181 00:16:52,000 --> 00:17:18,000 . 182 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:23,000 The early music concert of London under the direction of David Monroe, 183 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:28,000 performing Adam de la Hall's J'a bien à mame parler. 184 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,000 So the piece begins like this. 185 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,000 . 186 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,000 And there they are, right there, parallel octaves. 187 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:44,000 . 188 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:49,000 That's funny. Those are exactly the same pitches as the Toolbox Christmas. 189 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:56,000 I want a sales song. How about that? 190 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Ah, it stopped fooling around. 191 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:04,000 Now, Adam de la Hall, when it came to parallel octaves, he really didn't care. 192 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:10,000 Now, you could argue that de la Hall's voices are more independent than Bach's, 193 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,000 because they're free to create parallel octaves or not. 194 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,000 Voice B is not prevented from going to a certain note, 195 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,000 just because it would cause parallel octaves with voice A. 196 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,000 But hey, we're getting very philosophical here. 197 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:31,000 You know, true independence would mean writing parts without any regard to each other whatsoever, 198 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,000 and then just throwing them together and seeing how they sound, 199 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:40,000 or hearing how they look, or smelling how they feel, whatever. 200 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,000 Whatever you can think of, it was probably done in the 20th century, 201 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:49,000 the century in which chance took a stance and pulled down all our pants. 202 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:54,000 But I must say, I'm a child of my training when it comes to parallel octaves. 203 00:18:54,000 --> 00:19:01,000 In the context of independent parts, I don't like to commit, as it were, parallel octaves at random. 204 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,000 Which brings me to a true and painful confession. 205 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:34,000 Here's a piece I wrote in college as an exercise in Handalian style. 206 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:46,000 Here's a piece I wrote in college as an exercise in Handalian style. 207 00:19:46,000 --> 00:20:10,000 Here's a piece I wrote in college as an exercise in Handalian style. 208 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:34,000 Here's a piece I wrote in college as an exercise in Handalian style. 209 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:58,000 Here's a piece I wrote in college as an exercise in Handalian style. 210 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:12,000 Now, I'm not in the habit of publishing my school exercises, 211 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:18,000 but more than 40 years after I wrote it, I still have a soft spot in my heart for that one, 212 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,000 and a bunch of people have used it in their wedding ceremonies, 213 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,000 and some of those marriages have even remained intact. 214 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:30,000 So I finally had it published recently, simply titled Ceremonial March, 215 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:35,000 and I hope it continues to contribute to happy occasions over the years. 216 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:40,000 But there is a deep, dark secret attached to the piece. 217 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:56,000 In the third measure here, let me play it without the middle voice. 218 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,000 Parallel octaves, parallel octaves! 219 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,000 Now, I don't know if I noticed that when I wrote the piece or soon thereafter, 220 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:09,000 but it's been nagging at me on and off for lo these many years. 221 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,000 When I prepared the piece for publication, I even tried to think of a way to change it, 222 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,000 but I couldn't come up with anything that didn't call attention to itself, 223 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,000 that didn't disturb the serenity of the passage, 224 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,000 and I sort of feel like it does have a certain serenity. 225 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,000 So I let it stand. 226 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,000 As a composer, I like the heart and the head to agree on things, 227 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,000 but when they don't, the head loses out. 228 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,000 What the hay? Mozart wrote parallel octaves, and he was Mozart. 229 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:45,000 I'm just Peter Shickley, the host of Shickley Mix from PRI, Public Radio International. 230 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,000 Today's show is called Playing by the Rules. 231 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,000 Now, when I said at the top of the show that the rule against parallel fifths 232 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,000 was so regularly observed that when it wasn't, people noticed, 233 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000 I didn't mean that everybody noticed. 234 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:05,000 I'm not saying that your average Yosef blow sitting on a stool in the corner bar, 235 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,000 I'm not saying he noticed. 236 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,000 And yourself, what do you got to say for yourself? 237 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:23,000 Have you ever noticed the parallel fifths in Beethoven's C minor quartet? 238 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,000 I have. 239 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,000 Okay, yourself, that's it for you tonight. 240 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,000 No, what I'm saying is that connoisseurs noticed. 241 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:38,000 Most people couldn't care less, except that good composers sound better than bad composers, 242 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,000 even if you don't know why. 243 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,000 Well, how about you? Are you a connoisseur? 244 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:49,000 Here's your chance to find out as we present another Shickley Mix special. 245 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:57,000 Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for joining us here in Studio P 246 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:03,000 as we get ready to play, well, excuse me, 247 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,000 the game of the rules and those who break them. 248 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,000 It's our job to see that they get caught. 249 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,000 Our show is sponsored by the Downtown Burbank, 250 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,000 the bank that has what it takes to take what you have. 251 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:22,000 Remember, the folks at the Burbank won't leave you out in the cold. 252 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,000 Okay, are we ready to kick some coda? 253 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,000 All right. 254 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:33,000 All right, today's subject is parallel fifths. 255 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,000 Now, we're talking about musical fifths here, not the other kind. 256 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:54,000 You know what they say, he who laughs longest, laughs last, 257 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,000 and therefore best. 258 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,000 Okay, it's time to introduce our contestants, 259 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,000 and as I say each of your names, contestants, 260 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:07,000 please push the button on your individualized signal console there 261 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,000 so the folks at home will know who's whom. 262 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,000 On my far left, we have a gentleman who is a sophomore at Always High, 263 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,000 Mr. Dennis Dweeb. 264 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:26,000 In the middle, from Our Lady of Merciless Teasing, Miss Wilma Wallflower. 265 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,000 And finally, a post-graduate student at the School of Hard Knocks, 266 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,000 Mr. Murphy McNerde. 267 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,000 Yes, sir, what a lineup. 268 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,000 The best, or at least the brightest. 269 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,000 And now, quiet everybody, here's our first musical excerpt. 270 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:52,000 Contestants, when you hear the parallel fifths, let us hear from you. 271 00:25:52,000 --> 00:26:19,000 Here it comes. 272 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:25,000 Woo hoo, Wilma Wallflower, you nailed that one. 273 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,000 Parallel fifths between the first violins and the bass line 274 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,000 in Mozart's Don Giovanni. 275 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:37,000 Herbert, will you play that for us on the, whatever that thing is in front of you? 276 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:48,000 Yeah, sounds very obvious with just those two parts, doesn't it? 277 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,000 But with everything together, it's a different story. 278 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,000 Let's hear it again, the way that naughty Wolfgang wrote it. 279 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,000 Here it comes. 280 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,000 Oh, the fifths add to the sighing quality, I think, right? 281 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:13,000 I've got to hand it to you, Wilma, you've got x-ray ears. 282 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:20,000 I could just hear Mozart now saying, well, excuse me. 283 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:25,000 So that's 2,500 points for Wilma, and here comes our next excerpt. 284 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,000 Prick up your ears, folks, this is a toughie. 285 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:45,000 5,000 points for this puppy. 286 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:51,000 Ah, ah, ah, ah, nobody, nobody heard that one, and I'm not surprised. 287 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,000 That's from Beethoven's string quartet in E flat, Opus 74, 288 00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:01,000 and Herbert, would you play just the first violin and cello parts on that? 289 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,000 That is hardly there, isn't it? 290 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,000 Especially since that one violin note is so short. 291 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:23,000 Well, it may not have bothered anyone here, but it has in the past bothered certain editors 292 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:30,000 enough to make them change one of the notes in the cello part to avoid the parallel fifths. 293 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:36,000 Well, excuse me. 294 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,000 Okay, Ludwig. 295 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,000 Personally, even though I'm no stickler in the mud, 296 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,000 I think the changed cello part is quite plausible for other reasons, too. 297 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,000 But hey, what do I know? 298 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,000 I don't even approve of parallel parking. 299 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,000 That's right, okay. 300 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,000 Here we go, contestants. 301 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:01,000 This is your last chance, and this one's worth 3,000 points. 302 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:08,000 Now, Wilma's only got 2,500, so Dennis or Murphy could still win. 303 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:37,000 Okay, let's roll excerpt number three. 304 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:44,000 Oh, oh, oh, one, two, three. 305 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:51,000 Everybody heard it, but Wilma was the first, so she did it, folks. 306 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,000 Yes, she did it. 307 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000 That's right. 308 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000 Oh, okay, folks. 309 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,000 Okay, okay, folks, before we announce the prize, 310 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:15,000 Herbert, will you play that passage from Franck's symphony in D minor? 311 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,000 Oh, hello. 312 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,000 Excusez-moi. 313 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,000 Yes, sir, they don't get any paralleler than that. 314 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:30,000 Okay, Wilma Wallflower, you racked up 5,500 points, 315 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:37,000 which means you've got a gift certificate worth $5.50 316 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,000 at the boutique in the downtown Burbank. 317 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,000 You could get yourself a plastic ATM card holder, 318 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:52,000 or you could be well on your way towards the cost of a downtown Burbank tote bag. 319 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,000 Murphy McNer, Dennis Dwee, thanks for joining us. 320 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,000 And you too, everybody out there. 321 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:03,000 Thanks for playing, well, excuse me. 322 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,000 Be good now and don't do anything I wouldn't do. 323 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:14,000 Ta-ta, see you on a wanted poster. 324 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,000 Well, I don't know what it says on your wanted poster, 325 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:28,000 but mine says Peter Shickely, host of Shickely Mix from PRI, Public Radio International. 326 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,000 We're still playing by the rules here, 327 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,000 and particularly the traditional rule against parallel fifths. 328 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:41,000 The thing about 17th and 18th century composers is that they avoided parallel fifths, I think, 329 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:46,000 because the interval of the fifth is the most consonant interval next to the octave. 330 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,000 So parallel fifths are very close in feeling to parallel octaves. 331 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:56,000 And also, because those guys didn't want to emphasize the interval of the fifth too much, 332 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,000 except in certain limited circumstances, which we'll touch on later, 333 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,000 they didn't much care for the sound of an open fifth. 334 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,000 That's a fifth. 335 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:12,000 Now, if I add the third in the middle, 336 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,000 it's a triad, the basic building block of Baroque and classical music. 337 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:21,000 But you rarely hear just the open fifth. 338 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,000 Here's a bit of traditional Bach-like four-part harmony that I wrote. 339 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,000 At one point, instead of triads, there's an open fifth, 340 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,000 and I think you'll agree that it sticks out. 341 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,000 It sounds unstylistic for the period. 342 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:52,000 Right in the middle there, stuck out like a sore thumb. 343 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,000 The rarity of open fifths in pre-20th century classical composition 344 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,000 was brought home to me a few years ago when I heard a small city orchestra 345 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:07,000 play the Brahms Second Symphony whose ending includes a huge D major triad 346 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:32,000 blared out by the trombones. 347 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,000 But at this performance the second trombonist, 348 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,000 the one with the middle note, either didn't play 349 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,000 or accidentally played the same note as one of the other trombonists, 350 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,000 so instead of a full triad, we only heard an open fifth. 351 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:59,000 It sounded like this. 352 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,000 It just doesn't sound like Brahms with that open fifth, 353 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,000 aside from the fact that it's being played on the authentic instrument. 354 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,000 But there are several important exceptions to this avoidance of open fifths. 355 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,000 One is when you want to use what was thought of as a rustic sound, 356 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:19,000 the countryside association of open fifths stemming from the bagpipes, 357 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:48,000 which were a peasant instrument. 358 00:34:48,000 --> 00:35:02,000 From Tchaikovsky's Violin Concerto, that was Heifetz playing the solo part. 359 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,000 Another common use of open fifths also had rustic origins. 360 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,000 Hunting horns couldn't play all the notes of the scale, 361 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,000 so instead of writing this, 362 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:26,000 which the lower horn couldn't play, composers did this. 363 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,000 That's the open fifth. 364 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:58,000 This became a very popular pattern. 365 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:09,000 Part of Beethoven's eighth symphony. 366 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:17,000 Now composers liked that figure so much that they used it even when writing for instruments that could play all the notes. 367 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:41,000 Mozart's Divertamento for String Trio. 368 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:48,000 And finally, there was one place in which open parallel fifths were often heard even though they weren't written, 369 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,000 and that was in churches. 370 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,000 Organs have a variety of stops or different tonal colors, 371 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,000 each emphasizing a different combination of overtones, 372 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:03,000 which are naturally produced tones that are heard in addition to the note played on the keyboard. 373 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:11,000 And some of these stops accentuate to a quite striking degree the fifth step of the scale of the note. 374 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:21,000 Bach wrote only one line at the beginning of the D minor toccata. 375 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:31,000 But what you hear with certain stops is closer to this. 376 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,000 The top note isn't that strong, but it's very strong. 377 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:41,000 It's actually pretty amazing that composers who would bend over backwards to avoid parallel fifths in their writing 378 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:46,000 would happily use organ stops that turned everything into parallel fifths. 379 00:37:46,000 --> 00:38:02,000 Bach's Divertamento 380 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:24,000 Bach's Divertamento 381 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:30,000 The beginning of Bach's toccata and fugue in D minor, played by André Isoir. 382 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,000 Now with this organ registration, it's constant parallel fifths, 383 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,000 but it's not like parallel fifths in part writing. 384 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,000 That high overtone is not thought of as a separate voice, it's thought of as a color, 385 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:49,000 just like the consistently parallel octaves in the violins at the beginning of Mozart's 40th symphony that we heard earlier. 386 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,000 And again, as with octaves, things were very different before the high renaissance. 387 00:38:54,000 --> 00:39:00,000 There was a time when composers considered the triad too impure to use at the end of a piece. 388 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,000 They would end only with octaves and or open fifths. 389 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,000 And works with parallel fifths within the piece were perfectly respectable, 390 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,000 nothing that had to be ordered in a plain brown wrapper. 391 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:39,000 Bach's Divertamento 392 00:39:39,000 --> 00:40:03,000 Bach's Divertamento 393 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:28,000 Bach's Divertamento 394 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:39,000 Bach's Divertamento 395 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:51,000 Bach's Divertamento 396 00:40:51,000 --> 00:41:12,000 Bach's Divertamento 397 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:20,000 Bach's Divertamento 398 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:31,000 Bach's Divertamento 399 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:43,000 Bach's Divertamento 400 00:41:43,000 --> 00:42:06,000 Bach's Divertamento 401 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:14,000 The beginning of Lan Hua Mei, Blue-Blossomed Plum, performed by the Tianjin Buddhist Music Ensemble. 402 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,000 I love that music. 403 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:24,000 Fifths are often used in movie scores and other program music to summon up or accompany oriental images. 404 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:34,000 But as I said earlier, fifths are also used to signify exotically old, as in cavemen, or in this instance, ancient Rome. 405 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:55,000 Bach's Divertamento 406 00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:16,000 Bach's Divertamento 407 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:24,000 From Miklos Rosas score for the 1959 movie of Ben Hur, The Parade of the Charioteers. 408 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:30,000 Now I was listening to some other movie scores and I've got a CD of music from the serials. 409 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:36,000 I'm old enough to remember those one chapter a week movies that came on before the feature. 410 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:41,000 And I'm looking on the back of the CD at the listing for Adventures of Red Ryder. 411 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,000 And cut number five is called Little Beaver. 412 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:51,000 So who's in that scene? Theodore Cleaver or a furry animal chewing on a tree? 413 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:58,000 Well, about 13 seconds into the cue, the music tells you exactly who Little Beaver is. 414 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:49,000 Bach's Divertamento 415 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:57,000 Little Beaver, as William Lava's score makes clear by using repeated open fifths, is a kid from an Indian tribe. 416 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,000 He's probably Red Ryder's sidekick. 417 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,000 Now, you know, I'm no expert on traditional native North American music, but I've heard a fair amount of it. 418 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:12,000 And I love it. And I have never, ever heard any open fifths in it. 419 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,000 I mean, nothing even close. 420 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:20,000 But to the movie composer, open fifths used to mean, in this case, primitive. 421 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:29,000 People often describe the opening of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony as primordial, as if it's starting out at the beginning of the creation itself. 422 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:37,000 And that feeling is undoubtedly partly due to the bare, stark, open fifth with which the symphony starts. 423 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:49,000 As a matter of fact, this seems to me to be an extremely rare instance in the classical period of a prominent open fifth that doesn't seem to have any rustic connotation. 424 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:54,000 No bagpipes or hunting horns here. Just the beginning of time. 425 00:45:54,000 --> 00:46:18,000 The. 426 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:29,000 The. 427 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,000 Beethoven's Ninth Symphony premiered in 1824. 428 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:49,000 72 years later, Puccini's La Boheme was premiered freely and prominently employing parallel fifths, perhaps helping to suggest the beginning of the day and a freezingly cold day at that. 429 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:31,000 The. 430 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:45,000 The. 431 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:53,000 The. 432 00:47:53,000 --> 00:48:08,000 The. 433 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:16,000 The. 434 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:27,000 The beginning of the third act of Puccini's La Boheme. 435 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,000 He was criticized, by the way, for those parallel fifths. 436 00:48:31,000 --> 00:49:00,000 Here are some very open fifths. It's an octave and a fifth, actually, that perhaps helped to paint a picture of the vast expanses of the American West. 437 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:13,000 The opening of Billy the Kid by Aaron Copland, one of my favorite pieces. 438 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,000 I have a personal connection to that piece, actually. 439 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:24,000 See, it's music for a ballet about Billy the Kid, and Billy the Kid was born in Brooklyn, and I used to live in Brooklyn. 440 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,000 Small world, huh? 441 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:36,000 Well, be that as it may, the traditional classical rule against parallel fifths is now as out of date as spittoons, powdered wigs, and shopping in stores. 442 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:46,000 Here's a 20th century classic, and the four notes leading into the tune have to be the most famous parallel fifths in the world. 443 00:49:46,000 --> 00:50:12,000 The. 444 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:31,000 The. 445 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:57,000 The. 446 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:24,000 The. 447 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:44,000 The. 448 00:51:44,000 --> 00:52:11,000 The. 449 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:18,000 Henry Mancini's theme for the Pink Panther, played by Eric Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra. 450 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:32,000 Remember, the Pink Panther was a movie about a thief, and I think the hollowness of the fifths in those famous three pickup notes or four, if you want to count the downbeat, adds to the sneakiness of the music. 451 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:42,000 Now, parallelism of any kind is anti-contrapuntal. That is, parallelism diminishes the individuality of the component voices. 452 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:56,000 By the 20th century, composers felt free to use any chord in parallel fashion, which contributed to, or was the result of, depending on your view of history, the dissolution of traditional harmonic practice. 453 00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:07,000 In traditional harmonic practice, each chord has a harmonic function within the key. With parallelism, the chords are simply part of the color of the melodic line. 454 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:12,000 It's a sensuous technique, and it led to some colorful music. 455 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:18,000 We'll go out with Debussy, the Dances for Harp and String Orchestra from 1904. 456 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:23,000 Bernard Heitink conducts the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra with Vera Baddings on harp. 457 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:33,000 The harp's very first entrance consists of parallel triads, and similar passages occur throughout the first of the two dances, the sacred dance. 458 00:53:33,000 --> 00:54:02,000 Hey, if you like the chord, why not give it the same freedom a melody has? 459 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:32,000 ... 460 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:57,000 ... 461 00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:22,000 ... 462 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:47,000 ... 463 00:55:47,000 --> 00:56:12,000 ... 464 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:41,000 ... 465 00:56:41,000 --> 00:57:08,000 ... 466 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:31,000 ... 467 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:56,000 And this is Peter Shickley saying goodbye and reminding you that it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that certain je ne sais quoi. You're looking good. See you next week. 468 00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:18,000 . 469 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:26,000 ...